Tory Housing Reform Bill ....... April 2013

[Peter C]

Do you know anyone who is a council or housing association tenant who will be impacted by the Tory housing reform.

Let me just say anyone of working age who is a tenant and one JSA or even in low paid work and getting housing benefit of some sort and happen to have a room unoccupied are going to have their housing benefit cut.

For example ........

Married couple on JSA with two bedrooms with children grown up and away from home, have a room empty they will get a percentage of their housing benefit cut.

Elderly working age man or woman who divorce and let's say the woman keeps the family home with the children, if the husband moves into a two bedroom flat so children can stop over, he will only get a percentage of rent paid because the room is not occupied.

The housing reform is due to start in April 2013, there is no figures to say what percentage is going to be cut from the full amount of benefit they were receiving pre April 2013.

This is going to enforce more Hardship on the most vulnerable in our society.

What do we hear about the bankers or the super rich being pulled into line and "Sharing" the pain........

That's right "Nothing" but the super rich have already had a "Tax Break" for David Cameron and the Tories.

How will the housing reform hit yourself or family and friends, this is going to force millions into possible "Homelessness".

[Jenlo]

Peter,
I work part-time as you know from other topics.

I get £5 council rent benefit and now live on my own in a two bedroom council house.
With me only qualifying for £5 benefit, i am not sure as yet if the 'Bedroom Tax' will apply.
If it does then my benefit will have a 14% reduction.

The new rules also say that if you need to sleep in separate bedrooms due to a long term illness or disabled, they are saying it is not a good enough reason to warrant separate bedrooms. So you will have to share a room and be charged 'Bedroom Tax'.

Strangely enough i had a conversation last week with a MP.
He told me that the worse person in government is Ian Duncan Smith.
His plan for the future of British old people is:-
All old people should live in bedsits, because why do they need any more space than that.
What a nasty self righteous person he is.

[Peter C]

Jenio,

Yes I recall you only work part-time and that you only get a very small help with your rent benefit.

You said........

"I get £5 council rent benefit and now live on my own in a two bedroom council house. With me only qualifying for £5 benefit, i am not sure as yet if the 'Bedroom Tax' will apply. If it does then my benefit will have a 14% reduction."

If you don't mind me asking where did you get the information that your benefit would possibly be reduced by 14%?
I asked because I have tried in vain to get anyone who had any information on how much would be reduced in any given circumstances.

Your comments about Ian Duncan Smith, I am very much of the same thinking about IDS and indeed the rest of David Cameron's millionaire cabinet.

Not a won has any idea of the reality to these Tory "Ideological" bombardment on the working and unemployed and elderly and disabled are having on people who are the most vulnerable.

[Jenlo]

Peter our council have sent us details about the changes.
I have tried scanning the document to copy to here, for some reason it isn't letting me.
Perhaps adminuk will let me e-mail it to him, then he could copy it to here.
For all to see.

You need to read it, it is an eye opener for the contempt this government has for the ordinary everyday person.

There is a phone number:-
Government's Information 08456 057 064.

[Peter C]

Hi Jenio,

Thanks for supplying the information, I haven't called the number but since you have had information to hand you will know exactly what it says, so I can talk your word on the 14% deduction. Just for clarity is the 14% for each unoccupied room or will there be a 14% reduction no matter how many rooms unoccupied?

I have read the information and I was appalled at what these Tories are doing to the most vulnerable in society while they gave an unneeded tax break to millionaires, but it didn't come as a great surprise that millionaires got a tax break because most of David Cameron's cabinet are millionaires, so to pay for the millionaires tax break they claw it back from the poorest and most vulnerable.
I read that even if a couple with two rooms and one is severely disabled and needs a room to themselves that this doesn't meet the conditions to avoid a reduction in any housing benefit that may be going to a disabled person........

Shocking is an understatement........ However it is such a Conservative thing to do though.

[Jenlo]

Peter,
This is the paragraph:-
What happens if i have a spare room?
If you have a spare room your housing benefit will be cut by 14% of the rent you pay every week. If you have two or more spare bedrooms you will lose 25%.
If your benefit is cut you will have to pay your landlord the difference between your housing benefit and your rent.

You will not be eligible for an additional bedroom if:-
You or your partner need to sleep apart because of a medical condition, or
Your children live at another address but you have a spare room for when they stay with you.

That means then Peter should you have any grandchildren they can no longer stay with you.
And this is the government that encourages grandparents to look after their grandchildren.

[Peter C]

Jenio,

The information you have supplied is much appreciated and my friends and relatives who will be affected by this housing reform will have a better understanding and will now know how much they will be looking at in the forthcoming deductions.

I truly cannot get my head around how they have got this housing reform bill passed!!

Especially for a couple that one member is disabled and allocated a seperate room due to their disability.

What a horrible, callous lot you Tories are......... I can understand that there needs to be savings and reform of housing benefits along with other benefits, but I truly thought that even the Tories would be looking to catch the "Can work but will not work" I never imagined even hard line Tories could or would attack the truly disabled or genuinely needy low earners, single parents etc etc

This housing reform is now a bedroom tax which can only affect the very poorest people in our society.

Shame on you Tories, Shame! Shame! Shame!

[Peter C]

This Tory government is going to force people into rent arrears on a "Massive" & "Unprecedented" scale unknow in the UK.

The Tories are bordering on a par with Robert Mugabe who went a little bit further in making his own citizens homeless by crushing their homes with bulldozers if they didn't vote for him at elections.

That only makes David Cameron & Ian Duncan Smith even worse than Robert Mugabe because at least Mugabe had an " ulterior motive" for his actions (not that it justifies his actions) but......

Why is David Cameron & Ian Duncan Smith enforcing financial hardship on their own people at a time like this where many have lost work, cannot get work due to the actions of Bankers and Government policy.

Also the same Tory government who are enforcing this housing benefit reform on the most vulnerable are the very same Tory government that don't have a Frigging Clue on how to "Generate" work to help people off benefits.

Look Mr Cameron step down and walk away you Sir are "The" worst Prime Minister "Ever".

I didn't think any Prime Minister could be worse or as callous as good old Maggie Thatcher (Old Crone) however you lot in Cameron's cabinet of millionaires are beyond belief!!!

[a patriot]

I cant believe these corrupt dictators can get away with this, is this herr camerons way of resolving the housing issues of the poor immigrants flooding in to this country.  Has anybody told cameron he was never elected as prime minister

[Peter C]

Patriot,

I cannot use the language I want to use to discribe these "Arrogant" Bastar** are.

As you said David Cameron was never elected Prime Minister, he has no true mandate to govern this country. There was no question on the ballot paper asking if "We" the electorate agree to a "Coalition" government being formed in the event of no first past the post.

These corrupt Politicians who wrote their own rule book refer to some ancient rule that allows them to form a coalition of the willing to govern, which in turns allows them to tear up their "Manifestos" on which the electorate voted on.

The time is coming where civil unrest is going to come, this outright "Attack" on the working middle to lower classes and enforced unemployed.......

Cameron and you "Idiot" Tories back off before you create "Civil" unrest on a scale worse than the "Poll Tax".

It is one thing to reform benefits but what you are doing in this housing benefit reform is just another "Poll Tax" where it was a tax on every person living in a house.
This house benefit reform is a "Bedroom Tax" on every person who earn the least, who are single, who are disabled, who have been forced out of work and forced onto housing benefit.

Jenio has supplied the reduction figures of 14% for one unoccupied room 25% for two rooms unoccupied.

Which anyone unemployed on JSA who gets in income of £70 per week and if they have two bedrooms will no longer get full housing benefits, let's take the average two bedroom house rent at £400 per month 14% deduction from their present housing benefit will mean they need to find a Whopping £56app  per month or £13app per week.

How the Hell are these people meant to survive!!!

This housing reform will not impact on myself but I am Fuming about this, I have family, friend's who are going to be "Forced" into "Rent Arrears" and eventually homelessness or pay rent and face further Fuel Poverty or chose not to Eat.

What is going on here!!

Why aren't the opposition party (Labour) not SHOUTING about this from the rooftops!!

Where is the British Press, why aren't they all over this warning the public.

You Frigging Tories destroyed this country with the Me! Me! Me! Culture.

You Frigging Tories want to make profits before people care and their health with your slowly slowly, creepy crawly approach to "Privatising" the NHS.

[Jenlo]

Peter,
Like you i find the whole idea mind blowing.
Where will it all end?

They couldn't possibly come up with send all Eastern Europeans and all the other foreigners packing if they no longer have a job.
You walk round my town anytime of the day (on my way to earn my £12.75 per week),
And nearly everyone that passes is speaking foreign, pushing pushchairs, men and women. So they are obviously not in work.
Claiming benefits, using the nhs and our resources gas, electric, water etc.
There must be £millions being paid to these people.
Now that benefit reform definitely needs doing.

I have sent the two page copy of the reform i have received to open letters to see if adminuk can open them up and either leave them in open letters or transfer them to this topic.

It isn't very often i wish evil on people however i wish lots of bad things to every sodding member of par-liar-ment that we have today.
Except UKIP members, they are our only hope.

[Jenlo]

Peter,
The e-mail i sent to open letters has just come back saying it it too big.
It exceeds the limit.
I will have to ask my son when he comes round to see if he can transfer it on here somehow.

[Peter C]

Jenio,

Thanks for your efforts to post the information in its entirety but I have no reason to doubt the information you have to hand.

What you suggested about Eastern Europeans would be a better place for "Our" government to start to reduce the benefits cost for housing, JSA, DLA, etc etc

Some information on immigrants claiming benefits taken from this url link........

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2089696/Immigrants-claiming-UK-benefits-report-Stop-abuse-British-hospitality.html

"Yesterday, the Coalition tried to bridge this knowledge gap with a study showing there are 371,000 migrants receiving benefits, including jobseekers’ allowance, worth an estimated £2billion a year."

"In some cases, Brussels diktats demand that we pay benefits to EU citizens which are far more generous than anything available in their own countries."

"Entitlement: Romanian immigrant Firuta Vasile has successfully claimed that selling the Big Issue entitles her to housing benefit"

"In other instances, pernicious court rulings force the authorities to spend money they do not have on people who should not be here –such as the Romanian Big Issue seller awarded housing benefit, instead of being ordered to return home and claim from her own government."

"In Walthamstow, east London, eight Moldovans occupied the family home of Janice Mason – but the police refused to help because squatting is a civil, not criminal, matter."

"The horrific case of Victor Akulic, who was convicted in Lithuania of raping a child, before travelling to the UK under EU free movement rules and sexually attacking a new victim, prompted Appeal Court judge Lady Justice Hallett to ask: ‘Do we let in just anyone?’"

"Meanwhile, in a case involving a man who was allowed to make 16 asylum appeals, an exasperated Lord Justice Ward scalded a system in which asylum seekers go ‘up and down on the merry-go-round leaving one wondering when the music will ever stop.’"


David Cameron the British public is weary of hearing, almost daily, of our national hospitality and laws being abused. Regrettably, we no longer have a system which is fair, or which recognises that only those who enrich this country, or are genuinely fleeing persecution, should be permitted to stay.

Ministers know this, and have repeatedly promised to change the human rights laws, EU directives and lax border controls which have turned this nation into a haven for benefits tourists, illegal immigrants and foreign criminals.

The question for the Prime Minister is: why are we still waiting?


Stop this abuse of British hospitality

 David Cameron.......Stop the persecution of your own people and get our boarders closed and get rid of immigrants before you punish your own people

[Peter C]

I had hoped to have heard more from the usual Tory suspects on this one but not a one has had anything to say on this attack on the most vulnerable in our society.


Mmmmmm I wonder why!!!

It wouldn't have anything to do with the fact you Tory supports secretly are quiet happy with the Tory housing reform.

[David A]

Peter,

again, two words, Home Secretary...

[Peter C]

David A,

Please excuse my ignorance but I don't get your meaning can you please "Elaborate" on your comment..........

 "Home Secretary!!!"

[The Oracle]

I too find these reforms totally apalling and think the Government's policy of tarring all housing benefit recipients with the same brush as if they are all cheating the system, totally unacceptable. Resources would be better spent towards greater proactivity in tracking down those who are cheating, including those among the private landlords who benefit from the rental sector. Maybe the same criteria should apply to MPs second homes that the tax payer funds, whereby unused bedrooms are taxable or result in a reduction in the mortgage payments they can claim.  

[Peter C]

Oracle,

The Tory Housing benefit reform is nothing other than a "Bedroom Tax" and every person who happens to be in receipt of housing benefit who has a room unoccupied will be forced into Rent Arrears........

The Tories are not even trying to disguise they are "attacking" every household with an empty room, so its not even they are targeting those benefit cheats, they are just casting as wide a net possible and many genuine people are going to be forced into rent arrears and eventually eviction from their homes.

Maggie Thatcher introduced the "Poll Tax" which was an attach on each individual living in house.

David Cameron is introducing the "Bedroom Tax" on the most vulnerable on housing benefit.

This is so typically a Tory strategy they claim they are the party who want to "Not" tax us at source but they have always other ways the "Tax" us all until we Bleed!!

The abbreviation of Conservative is very fitting for the Tory party Con! Con! Cons!