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Here is Theresa May's idea to get tough.
Any governments first duty is the Protection of its citizens.
1Tougher sentences for terror offences
2Less tolerance of extremism
3Holding online giants to account
4Reinforce British values
These proposed measures above go not nearly far ENOUGH!!!!!
Here are my top action's .
1. Any Muslim found to support IS deport them.
2. All Mosques accept 24/7 surveillance or be shut down.
3. Any British born Muslim that leaves to fight jihad....... Stripped of their UK citizenship and not allowed back in the UK.
4. Europe must become Fort Knox Europe and stop the flooding of Europe.
5. Muslims should seek refuge in the next safe Muslim country not cross many borders.
6. Muslim communities must do more to integrate into British society.
7. All attempts to allow Sharia law, or Islamic law must be HALTED
You're right Mrs May......Enough is Enough!!!
Enough of government platitudes.
Enough of carry on as usual.
Enough of Facebook platitudes post pictures and words of Sympathy.
Enough of accepting these attacks as part and parcel of our daily life's.
Enough of world leaders sending us there support on these brutal events.
This is a War against Muslim jihadis it is about time our governments treat it as such and stop pretending this is not a clash of Cultures and Faith's....... It clearly is!
So yes.....Enough is Enough
Time to get TOUGH no more platitudes....
ACTIONS is required.
Anyway that's my say, what's your idea's on Enough is Enough??
Peter, very well put. This is war, plain and simple now. All mosques who will not tow the line, closed down. Shariah Law outlawed in UK. Families that resist, deported wholesale from whence they originally came. No fanfare. Just do it and fast!
Would it be possible to deport radicalised Moslems that were born in the UK? Is it legally possible to remove British passports of those born in Britain? I don't know the answers to these questions. Anyone that is not born in the UK and is a radicalised could be deported, to their place of birth. Anyone British returning from ISIS having been a fighter should automatically be placed in custody and put through the legal system as a known terrorist.
I do think Moslem councils and all Sharia legal activities [or law] should be outlawed - we already have a legal system.
I doubt that we could police all mosques but I think Imams need to be accountable for the behaviour their worshippers and be responsible for reporting any dubious activities in their communities. If they do not do so and a terrorist attends their mosque they are culpable and should be made account for their lack of response and not providing information to the security services. Certain consequences need to be enforced - the possible suspension of worship or similar. It is difficult to stop innocent people from going about their business but the community need to present some ideas - and if their is fear of repercussions, these need weeding out too! There is possibly fear in the Moslem community - there may be bullying and violence threatened from potential terrorists and this needs stamping to be irradicated.
The Moslem community needs to be more active in rooting out all the radicalism in their midst - they have to be pro-active and engaged in society. Integration appears to have failed and so all our communities whether they be Moslem, Christian, Jewish etc should come together and work out a better way to move forward and stamp out radical Islam. This has to be a requirement not a request!
I was concerned that the Manchester terrorist has been given so much publicity - this seems to me to be exactly what these people want. Also I am sorry that the police actually shot the 3 people involved in this latest attack - they have got what they wanted - martyrdom. I would like to have seen them in court, humiliated and put in prison where they would have had to suffer from the other inmates. These people should be separated and left to suffer from prison. Prisons allow Moslems to worship but this should be the only time they can ever meet together. Moslem prisoners should always be in the main prison and not on a section 43 which allows them far too much protection.
I do, however, accept that during the latest horrendous incident the police may have had no choice and had to kill these dangerous men, so I want to make it crystal clear that I am not blaming the officers at all - they have a difficult and dangerous job. I am horrified by the attack and can only offer my sincere condolences to all those who lost friends or family, and to all those injured and hope they make a good recovery.
These lunatics won't stop me going up to London or travelling anywhere for that matter. We cannot allow these nutters to alter our way of life or to destroy our usual tolerant and civilised society.
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An email recived today.An Insightful Observation of Tolerance
Jiggs McDonald, NHL Hall of Fame broadcaster speaking in Ontario , says: "I am truly perplexed that so many of my friends are against another mosque being built in Toronto . I think it should be the goal of every Canadian to be tolerant regardless of their religious beliefs. Thus the mosque should be allowed, in an effort to promote tolerance." That is why I also propose that two nightclubs be opened next door to the mosque; thereby promoting tolerance from within the mosque. We could call one of the clubs, which would be gay, "The Turban Cowboy," and the other, a topless bar, would be called "You Mecca Me Hot." "Next door should be a butchers shop that specializes in pork, and adjacent to that an open-pit barbecue pork restaurant, called "Iraq of Ribs." "Across the street there could be a lingerie store called "Victoria Keeps Nothing Secret," with sexy mannequins in the window modeling the goods, and on the other side a liquor store called 'Morehammered'."
"All of this would encourage Muslims to demonstrate the tolerance they demand of us.
"Yes, we should promote tolerance, and you can do your part by passing this on. And if you are not laughing or smiling at this point . . . “It is either past your bedtime, or its midnight at the oasis and time to put your camel to bed."
I reiterate my earlier remark "all mosques that do not tow the government line" I was not arguing for all mosques to be closed; but I remain strongly opposed to Sharia Law which I regard as both archaic, discriminatory, and above all, divisive.
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Amen to that.......
Tolerance is freely given but tolerance is a two way street.
All Muslims regardless if it's conformist, moderate or radicalised Muslims must be able to accept all of the above and not expect special treatment that causes segregation rather than integration.
All other religions have integrated into our society those who can't or refuse, they can make a choice to accept to integrate or chose a Muslim country that supports their ways.
They after all have the choice and no British citizen should be put in the situation to conform to others religious ways.
Multi cultural is just that the acceptance and respect for all and not to have any one group in this case Muslims force others to accept segregation as the way forward for this country.
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Just to pick up on a few points.......
"Would it be possible to deport radicalised Moslems that were born in the UK? Is it legally possible to remove British passports of those born in Britain? I don't know the answers to these questions."
In normal times I would suggest the answer would be no we couldn't.
However, these are not normal times as like it or not this country is at War with radical Muslim's and as such the Changing of our Human Rights laws can and must be done to take on these radical Muslim and this must be done ASAP and it is not only for to keep us British safe but also to liberate the Muslims who are and want to integrate into British society.
I would like to see our governments having the right to remove any not born here in the UK and all relatives. I say all relatives as they need some firm of encouragement to come forward and if they are going to lose their right to live in a tolerant British society this is the one thing they would value most and will bring those in the know forward.
As for those born here in the UK and they chose to fight against us or plan to kill our citizens here or anywhere else in the world.
Then our governments should have the right to refuse reentry into the UK.
Anyone who chooses to fight for foreign country should be aware they will lose citizenship.
These might seem harsh measures but what would we rather have more totally innocent life's you and old bring slaughtered in our streets.
I would suggest if drastic measure carry on as they have been allowed to in the name of our Tolerant society.
The day will come when civil war will breakout against Muslim's.
This is why I say it's in both parties interest to take effective measures regardless off how impalitible then may seem to be.
What would you suggest is the best way to tackle these extremists that are born or just come to our country??
I would be interested in anyone's opinions on my comment's and their own solutions.
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"I think Imams need to be accountable for the behaviour their worshippers and be responsible for reporting any dubious activities in their communities. "
These Imams should not be held accountable for another man's actions.
They should however be held accountable for allowing any hate speech or radicalisation that takes place in their mosques.
If it can be proven that any form of hate or radicalisation has taken place on their premises then that mosque should be shut down immediately and the Imams either deported if possible or incarcerated for 20 years.
These people will not respond to our tolerance they will however seek to utilise our weakness due to our tolerance they see it as our Achilles Heel.
As I said above this is a War and not normal times.
"Also I am sorry that the police actually shot the 3 people involved in this latest attack - they have got what they wanted - martyrdom. I would like to have seen them in court, humiliated and put in prison where they would have had to suffer from the other inmates. "
Putting these creatures in a court of law would only give them a bigger platform to spout their venomous hate and I would suggest they could inspire others to follow them rather than deter.
" There is possibly fear in the Moslem community - there may be bullying and violence threatened from potential terrorists and this needs stamping to be irradicated."
We all live with fear from thugs, criminals in our own communities and we deal with it in our own ways and we seem to be able to pass on any information we see may be off interest to the police or authorities. I suggest your own fears are merely another excuse to tolerate these Muslim communities to step back and do nothing.
Much more needs to be done, some of which I have suggested above and I understand it my be unpalatable for some but one day it will blow-up and civil society will break down and many thousands may lose their lives as a consequence of being far to tolerant now.
" We cannot allow these nutters to alter our way of life or to destroy our usual tolerant and civilised society.
They are already alter our way of life and our tolerance and civilised society is our achilles heel and they will continue to exploite it until we start to take these Nutters head on and give them Real Consequences.
I have read your response to my previous post and you have given me I a great deal to think about. I agree that no-one can be responsible for another's actions and I think what you have said is what I would agree with. Deporting Imam's if they are not British citizens and who allow any hint of radicalisation or hate speech should be the case - they are not welcome here and I often wonder how they managed to get into the country in the first place. If they are British citizens then they should have to relinquish their mosque and be tried for crimes against humanity or whatever fits their behaviour - I think they should be aware and accountable for their flock.
You do have a point about the perpetrators having to appear in court if they survive an attack. I am in two minds about that - I agree it would give them further publicity. If they are shot, however, they stupidly believe that they will go to heaven etc. which encourages more of them to do these horrible things. I am not sure I have the answer as your argument makes sense.
I am not at all sure about bullying in the Moslem communities - it was just a thought. Bullying seems very prevalent in our society at best. Many people have been bullied and one of the best ways to deal with is to stand up to it. I guess it is dependent on who is the bully and how it is conducted. Whatever the case the Moslem community has a duty to report their knowledge of radicalisation and the planning of possible attacks. It is unforgivable if they do not, bullying or not. If they are living in fear they should let it be known, and not shirk from their duty to the people of this country - simple as that!
I do not fear the Moslem community at all - bombs and fear of attack did not stop me living and working in London during the IRA campaign. I will always try to understand other cultures, religions and creeds - in the case of ISIS I cannot - it is as unacceptable as Nazism as far as I am concerned. I would deport any non-British jihadist. I would strip any jihadi, who has fought with ISIS, of their passport - they can go back to your ISIS mates, whether this be men or women. The young girls that went to join the ISIS fighters should never be allowed back. I could never get my head around the girls from the East End going to join ISIS without their parents knowledge - it doesn't seem likely. I'm am not sure what we do with British born jihadists - that may prove more difficult. If we could send them all of to Saudi that would be great but I suspect Saudi would not accept them, in spite of the Saudi support, both financial and religious, of ISIS. They should be given long prison sentences and separated from their moslem brothers in prison - never be allowed to communicate. The families of jihadis should also be made to come forward and be examined very closely, maybe with a threat of expulsion - that may be too extreme for me but again it is something to consider.
I don't believe my solutions would change much but it would be a start. We do need stricter entry conditions to this country.
Whatever happens and if these attacks continue I think everyone will become harsher and harsher in response. I would like to be a tolerant, caring human being but it is difficult to remain so when innocent people are knifed, blown up and run down in our cities. I don't have the answers, but thanks for your thoughts - as I said, you really have given me much to think about!
I thank you for your response and glad my comments has given you room for thought. The world would be a much more peaceful place if others could only but come close to all contributors to this site.
I would suggest as my message to all the good moderate Muslims is to read the following and respond in a positive manner like this message signals to us all.........
The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing
This should include women, slightly out of date lol
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