Terrorism

[The Oracle]

Shouldn't the Government legislate to bring back the death penalty for terrorism acts in this Country?  It is absolutely ridiculous that the terrorists plotting to cause death will probably only serve about 5 years in prison.These people are British Nationals we
are told and should therefore be tried for Treason.

[Peter C]

Oracle,

I sympathise with your views but disagree because look at the "Scapegoats" the Westminster offers.......

Fred the Shred title taken away from on man and used as a sacrificial lamb for the banking crisis!

Lockerbie bomber Abdelbaset al Megrahi another "Scapegoat" used as a sacrificial lamb where serious doubts whether he was in fact directly responsible for the bombing or not and his life could have been taken.

With the new "Double Jeopardy" laws meaning the police don't have to be as careful in getting the right person for a crime for example....... Jean Charles de Menezes, the Brazilian man shot by police in London.

Can you imagine the amount of innocent people killed by the state because the police don't have to be as thourgher in their convictions because the attitude..... If we get it wrong first time we can try again.

So for this reasons I don't support bringing back the Death Penalty for terrorist or murderers!

[Rookery]

Peter C -  I agree with you.  There is no place in a civilised country for the death penalty.  I do however think that sentences should be a lot longer, with hard labour added for  certain categories.

[Peter C]

Rookery,

I totally agree sentences must get much tougher and longer, even though I can't support the death penalty I do think if a person has taken a life or convicted of murder but may be innocent should be imprisoned for live this way anyone wrongly convicted can be released and compensated but anyone guilty of murder will know once they go behind the bars they will know the only way and time they will leave is "Feet" first on the day they Die!

It is the only alternative to the death penalty and real justice...... A live for a live without killing!

[dave 1]

If they are found guilty of terrorism they should serve a sentence of hard labour and when their sentence is over they should be deported to Country of origin along with their family members.Maybe this will make them think twice about their loyalties to this Country.If they think that they can not give their loyalty to this Country,then they should not be here.

[dave 1]

If they are found guilty of terrorism they should serve a sentence of hard labour and when their sentence is over they should be deported to Country of origin along with their family members.Maybe this will make them think twice about their loyalties to this Country.If they think that they can not give their loyalty to this Country,then they should not be here.

[Peter C]

Dave,

I agree if any immigrant from another country commits a terrorist attack on the UK then once they serve their sentence they should be deported immediately........

However there are many British born would be terrorists that either their fathers/mothers or grandparents come from other countries ........ These nationals with their roots from other countries can not be deported because they are seen as UK nationals......

I would love to see the day when these so called nationals born here in the UK were to be deported to the country of origins where there father/mother or grandparents came from....... However I can't see this ever happening due to the Human Rights that wrongly protect these scum would be terrorists born here in the UK.

I would build a prison ship and set them afloat on the seas far enough away from any main land so if they escape they would drown or freeze to death

[Mr E]

no i agree that we should bring back the death penalty not so we can just kill as many people as we can, but to at LEAST have it available to enforce fear into the hearts of terrorists and dangerous people

[Peter C]

Mr E,

Your theory about having the death penalty as a deterrent or to instill fear into terrorist just does not make any sense since the would be terrorists have either been brainwashed, family or loved ones held hostage until the carry out their acts of terror....... Then you have those who have been promised 40 virgins in the next life, then those who want to become a Martyr........ The death penalty will do nothing to prevent these people!

Your every day murderer again either don't have any fear and will kill anyway, and again those hell bent on killing will kill regardless of the death penalty........

I respect your views but the threat of the death penalty just won't prevent any terrorist or murderer.
This is why I prefer live to be live no early release no matter what any doctor says or good behaviour, in jail till death and hard labour, no Xbox, PlayStation no tv just very basic food, drink and heat then hard labour every day till they die. That why no innocent life taken by "Mistake" or faulty legal system or police mistakes or fitups.

[The Oracle]

I understand peoples reaction to my question regarding the death penalty for acts of terrorism by British Nationals who unfortunately have no allegience to this Country and despite being allowed to reside here actively plot to disrupt and cause death. I personally have no problem with the " possibility " of  a death sentence following trial and subsequent guilty verdict in these cases.  Jean Charles de Menezes was a different case scenario as he was shot by police in a case of mistaken identity, he hadn't been found guilty of anything. Yes this is supposed to be a civilised Country but is it civilised to allow the calous treatment of many elderly and vunerable people less well than we would treat animals or criminals and thereby causing their early death? At the very least we should perhaps change our laws whereby all criminals face consecutive prison sentences rather than concurrent sentences, as in the current system. With no early release

[Peter C]

Oracle,

You said........

" Jean Charles de Menezes was a different case scenario as he was shot by police in a case of mistaken identity"

I fully appreciate that this case was a case of mistaken identity, however this only re-enforces my case against the death penalty........
If the police could get it so wrong in Jean Charles de Menezes case and shot an innocent man in the streets, if the police can get a simple case of identification so drastically wrong with several specially trained police officer over an extended time period......... You then have the police who shot the guy that lead to the riots (sorry I can't recall the persons name) however again the police got it wrong......... Get back to the Jean Charles de Menezes case it is of great concerns about how deep the attempt at covering up and blatant lies that came about after the the death of Jean Charles de Menezes.......
Then when you throw in the new double jeopardy laws which could and most likely will add to lapse policing standards because the police know they don't have to get it right the first time around because they can always try again later........

If one person charged with murder and after a certain amount of time the state Kills that person using the death penalty ......... Then if new evidence comes to light that person Killed by the state can not get their life back.

I appreciate you views but I can not justify in my mind the state taking life........

Perhaps the state should look at their "Foreign Policies" which makes these terrorist want to attack this country.
After all its not like the Nazi Germany invading countries, it usually our governments "Foreign Policy" that causes such deep rooted hate that these people attack.......

I am not condoning terrorism in any way but "Foreign Policy" can provoke terrorist attacks.

[The Oracle]

I am sorry Peter but I feel we will have to agree to disagree on this one. In some instances I can see that Foreign Policy may have some influence over the actions of terrorists from outside of this Country. However, I am talking about BRITISH NATIONALS who reside here and are not prepared to abide by our laws and in many cases their actions are the result of religion rather than politics.None the less they are still acts of terrorism. It has been expressed many times on this forum that if people of foreign descent who come to live here or are actually born here but cannot accept our way of living, they should leave.  If instead they choose to assist in terrorism acts against the state in this Country and cause multiple deaths as a result, it is my opinion they should be punished accordingly i.e. the death penalty.

[Peter C]

Oracle its a very rare occasion where I have found anything to disagree with you on or any of you posting here so on this one....... I can agree to disagree.

[John C]

How about a really terrifying punishment?

Move all the elderly out of the 'care' homes that don't and put them in prison where they would at least be warm, fed and kept a proper eye on with real medical care.

Then put the guilty in those now empty care homes and let them suffer the indignities that are regularly inflicted on our elderly citizens.

[John Kelly]

I would welcome the return of capital punishment for terrorism on the grounds that life imprisonment in a high security prison would at present levels cost in the region of £10,000 per week, if we amortise that cost over even a 20 year term and assume inflation at a modest 1% p.a., then the cost to the UK taxpayer would equate to a massive £137,398,584.93.

How many terrorists could the UK afford to keep behind bars?

Execution by military firing squad would have a one off cost of less than £2,000.00. Once dead there can be no more terrorist activity from that individual terrorist.

[Peter C]

 John K,

You make a very good argument for the case of the Death Penalty for Terrorist and almost won me over.

However when you said.........

"Once dead there can be no more terrorist activity from that individual terrorist."

There is no doubt that individual terrorist is dead and gone there can be no more terrorist activity from that "Individual" terrorist but then how many more "Terrorist" will be recruited and waiting to take the dead terrorist place...... It's very much the same as taking drug suppliers out for every supplier jailed there are hundreds waiting to take his place........

I struggle with the death penalty because I doubt we will deter one individual would be terrorist by taking another terrorist life, however I agree the cost imprisoning terrorist in high security prisons are astronomical a cost we can ill afford!

[John Kelly]

Peter C

The death penalty for terrorism would be just that a "PENALTY", it would never act as a deterent, which is essentially a preventative measure that it is hoped will put off future terrorist activity which given the level of fanaticism involved is a highly questionable policy.

It should not be confused with the principle of a legal PUNISHMENT that is proportionate in the aggregate to the severity of the crime.

[Peter C]

John K,

I have to say I cannot fault you on this and I can say wholeheartedly you have convinced me to change my mind on the Death Penalty so long is there is indisputable prove.

[MR E]

a few of you may have seen my posts about death penalty being brought back. and this post is no different I absolutely am 200% for bring it back... we have the highest prison population in Europe and until recently been given another title- The highest terrorist activity in Europe...For Christ Sake!!!!! how much more proof do you need that our country needs a stronger system of justice and international security measures...you want to know where you start? BY BRINGING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY!!!!!

[MR E]

I am truly at a loss for words! First-What does it matter? If terrorist's are promised 40 virrgins then who are we to deny them. why would it not prevent them? THEY WILL BE DEAD!!! second- Surely working till prisoners die is a worse fate than the death penalty! Waking up every morning knowing that this is going to be all youll ever know. Dont know about you but  I'd rather hang than press license plate or what ever the hell they do for the rest of their existence. third- With all the tech we have nowadays with the machine that can calculate if someone's DNA was even in the crime scene all the way down to a hair strand or skin flake HOW CAN SOMEONE NOT BE INNOCENT OR GUILTY!!! If their DNA is in the place then they must know something which is then how the death penalty acts as a detterent besides the police aren't stupid they can work out for themselves certain things