THE FANTASIES OF DAVID CAMERON

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Cameron as said that in these times of austerity everyone must tighten their belts but how many reading this can:-

1 Can afford holidays in Italy and when having to cancel that holiday afford to go for a few weeks holiday in the UK?

2 Claim thousands of pounds from the tax payer to pay a mortgage and council tax because they aren't happy with one home while claiming a salary of over £180 000 not counting income from outside interests?

3 Travel around the world at the tax payers expense?

4 Despite all the money coming in still be allowed to claim off the tax payer for living expenses and other expenses?

If that is his idea of having to tighten his belt then I can only assume I have tightened mine incorrectly.
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Classic example of the "Don't do as I do, do as I say" ethos of Government.
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Labour were by far the worst offenders in the scandal that ensued in the last governemnt , one is even in jail for it.
It is not therefore a political issue of the tories, but of politicians in general.
I therefore dont agree with you specifically attacking the tories, but I would wholeheartedly agree with you about politics in general, they have to lead the way in this difficult time, and yes the Tories and Lib dems should be doing just that.
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Peter, for your lifetime you manage your credit card jointly with your wife , she spends, you reign her back,she spends, you reign her back and equilibrium is maintained. Then she gets control of the credit card for a year because you are too ill to control it. She runs up 100k of debts that is unrepayable.
You cut everything back, she hates you for it , cheap food, the car gets replaced , holiday cancelled, and still you cant keep on top of the interest and the debt rises.
You continue to try to deal with the debt. After 2 years the house is crumbling, why have you not repaired the things that are going wrong, why have you not bought new furniture. You are clearly mismanaging the money because you are not improving your lifestyle.
Sounds fair ?
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I wouldnt say I am a diehard tory , in fact I was very impressed with socialism in Brasil.
More than anything I believe in democracy and the fact that a politician is responsible for his actions , he spends a pound of taxpayer money he spends your money.
That is why I hate and despise Blair so much, because they had no concern or responsibility, it was as if they had a blank cheque to create their swedish state dependant socialist model, and for me that was high treason for which they should be strung up. It was not democratic and has wrecked the nations finances to a degree nobody still comprehends.
I am very angry that my country has been reduced to rubble by these anti-democratic power crazed monsters who have completely evaded responsibility.
Under democracy, labour or tory , one party or the other gets in, implements their policies in line with the electorates wishes and when their term is over it is the turn of the new governemnt. I would defend that right to my deathbed whoever won power, labour or conservative because that is true freedom and democracy.

It is you who dont understand because New Labour have so bankrupted the nation that the new governemnt literally cant do anything except cut and get criticised. There will be no successes to brag about. This is not democracy , it is basic survival of a nation , and the criminals who did this should be put in the dock for their undemocratic secret plan to impoverish the nation and make everybody state dependant.

Unfortunately we lived in an age of spin where every week we heard brown boast of labours prudence and no boom or bust economy as we saw with the tories. Everybody bought it ( almost everybody because I saw what was coming ). Now we face bankruptcy, nobody makes anything any more , the public finances are worsening daily ,the state is so top heavy it cant continue and the so called austerity is a joke because its a drop in the ocean of whats needed.
The coalition needs to stand up and say we cant afford the 1 million jobs labour created, or the 30% extra handouts labour gave away, or they need to say that people need to pay for schools and education and the state will no longer provide pensions to goverment employees. Either way we would see national strikes and it would be the end of the Tory party as we know it as you correctly pointed out they would be blamed and they would never be forgiven.
So the best option left is crisis management, try to manage the debts , wait till the IMF steps in and then its nobodys fault and the political parties all survive.
In the meantime there will be no achievements to brag about as their is no money and resources and labour will face an even greater problem at the next election when they return to power, or perhaps another coalition this time with labour and the lib dems as the gerrymandering will have been stopped by that time.

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I have read a number of posts by Peter C and I find he talks a lot of sense so it is no surprise to me to find I am in complete agreement with what he says.

The fact is if it was Gordon Brown or Tony Blair making the same cuts I would still have the same problem I have with Cameron.

If you blame Labour for the position the Conservatives are in now then who do you blame for the position Labour were in when they took power from the Conservatives. The level of debt the country is in means I don't believe for one second that it was run up by Labour on their own.

So as Peter C says there really is no point in playing the blame game because at the end of the day Cameron no matter what the problems should act with integrity and that means not lining his own pockets while taking money out of everyone else.

If your wife runs wild with the credit card putting you massively into debt you don't take the credit card off her, run wild yourself and then expect the debt to be reduced or expect to still be married
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The pair of you are talking utter rubbish. Look at this for the facts.
http://www.debtbombshell.com/britains-budget-deficit.htm
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And with the the extra 1 million jobs in government and 30% higher welfare budget for all the extra handouts perhaps you guys would suggest how cameron gets Labours 170 billion annual decficit down without making cuts or destroying the economy. Please note the annual deficit was ZERO when Labour took over from the tories.
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Peter, firstly the link you provided cofirmed what i said ,in the 10 years post 1998 the borrowing rose 370 billion, it stood at just 330 billion in 1998 , it went out of control, a 53% increase in spending adjusted for inflation that the country could not afford. Prior to that it had increased at levels that were in line with inflation and GDP.
Your second article is a little misleading,it understates the problem drastically , but it also states that 750,000 public sector jobs will need to go, something that I have been saying the entire time. Those 1 million jobs created by Labour are simply not affordable, neither is the current welfare bill.
It is the 1 million new jobs in governemnt and the 30% increase in welfare as part of new labours secret agenda to turn us into the swedish model of socilaism that is sinking the nation, we keepcoming back to that point, which is what I have been saying the entire time. Read Tony Blairs memoirs he is even proud of it , its not something I made up.
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Peter,those bailouts show up on the debt but are a side issue as were one offs, clearly didnt help the national interest but we are talking about the public sector deficit. On the other side the governemnt owns parts of those banks so they do also have assets in return.  The PSBR is the difference between what we spend and what we take in taxes each year. This is running at 170 billion deficit and the banks bailouts dont affect that figure. This is spending commitments which are also listed at that website. That is what I am talking about , its the huge commitments labour left when they went out of office. 1 million extra salaries to pay, 30% increase in welfare , it goes on. A 53% increase. The bank bailouts are a minor part of the problem.
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