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Changed my line on Syria in light of recent developments

Posted this on Bloomberg today...

Lanark Relic 1 hour ago 1 comment collapsed
Collapse Expand I think this is once again a false dawn shared by a handful of optimists. Very surprised to see the Dow back over 15k! There are that many fundamentalists among the rebels that Kerry and his band of do-gooders should pause for thought. What do you prefer the real enemies of the US who threaten the very notions of freedom which are dear to us, or age-old dictatorships whose traditional hold on power will be clung on to at the cost of increased bloodshed and desperation? Hard choice that one, but the latter is the lesser threat to the US in my book. Ironically, left alone to their devices, and a cast-iron assurance from Bashar Assad that chemical weapons will no longer be used (if the intercepted calls are anything to go by, Assad's express wishes for restraint were too late), Assad could well win his struggle and restore the independence of his nation once again. Weaken it further and the so-called 'rebels' will assure that World War III looms even closer than it already is! Have Obama and Kerry completely lost their senses? The best way to decelerate this war is to offer a home to the refugees - most Syrians are good hardworking people - and enforce a freeze of the assets of all factions to this war.

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If Asad accepts the Russian proposal to Isolate all of his chemical weapons it would support the claim that Asad forces did not launch the chemical attack in the first place. We have still to see any proof that he did, despite the Americans shouting that they have proof. Where is it? what is it? why don't you show us the proof?   if the proof is as reliable as that about Iraq then we can say that the Americans are just looking for any excuse to launch an attack. Reading between the lines I think that the Rebels are on their last legs and the Americans (CIA) have told them that they need an excuse to intervene ( such as proof of chemical weapons being used)  so the rebels have obliged probably using gas supplied by the CIA. I can't understand why the Americans would prefer an Al kahida  led dictatorship as opposed to an Asad secular dictatorship. I don't think anyone expects a democratic regime to arise out of this civil war.
If the Americans do attack and Asad retaliates against Israel (a likely source of any attack, as Asad would cliam) then we will see the start of ww3.
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Totally agree, Peter!
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Here's my latest posting on Bloomberg...

Lanark Relic 7 minutes ago 1 comment collapsed
Collapse Expand Let's face it. Obama and Kerry have so totally backed the wrong horse here, and Putin and Assad are laughing. No American boys to go for this one, please! Not only is it not worth one more American. boy's life but to me it spells Armageddon clearly enough... That said, if Obama hadn't created an almighty stink in the first place, chances are Putin would not have played this card. So credit to Obama for being tough, and credit to him too for consulting Congress when he could have acted unilaterally had he chosen to do so. I agree that the very best solution is for Syria to give up her stockpile to UN inspectors to ensure their removal (destruction will be costly, pointless as well as dangerous) Then Obama would do well to sit down with Assad and Putin to hasten the end of this utterly pointless and futile war.
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Impressive research, so it would seem that the US could totally neutralise the Syrian chemical warfare capability with ease assuming they know exactly where the Syrians have moved them to.
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Peter old boy have you perchance seen the light, have you been reborn in Christ?

Or are you mischieviously laying out traps for the evangelists?
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I was born into a Roman Catholic family and so was force fed the indoctrination of the "true faith" from birth, to the extent that I became an altar boy and later the head altar boy responding to the priest during mass in Liturgical Latin verse.

However at 13 I began to think for myself and noting the rampant hypocrisy of the clergy and the unreconcilable contradictions of church dogma I took a conscious decision to abandon the faith that was never mine by choice. I never considered joining any other church or creed and from the age of 13 till I was 54 I could easily be termed an agnostic almost verging on being an atheist.

In 2001 while on holiday in Turkey, I went on a tourist trip to Ephesus which also took in a visit to a small mountain nearby where it is believed that the mother of Jesus spent her final years in the care of the Apostle John, on approaching the site I experienced a total physical collapse which felt as though I had been hit by a speeding car or been butted in the chest by a bull, all the air in my lungs was pushed out by the impact, yet there was nothing and nobody near me that could have caused this to happen.

At the time of this incident the temperature was 38_40 degrees C yet my body temperature was recorded by the Red Crescent at just 11 C, emotionally I was a total wreck, I was experiencing the worst sadness I have ever endured, much worse than when I lost my parents and worse than I experienced at the loss of my older brothers, this feeling lasted for three days
duringwhich my body temperature gradually recovered.

I have consulted my doctor, a Catholic Priest and a CofE Vicar but none were able to advise me what had happed, I think that I had a spiritual event, an awakening if you like, I am still a skeptic where religion is concerned by I have to admit to a change of thinking where God, Jesus Christ and the Biblical story is concerned and am now more open minded to every thing(except the EU, HaHa)
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First we must examine what the word God means to each of us, does it conjure up a picture of a wise old man with a long white beard sitting on a celestial cloud, for me that example is a hangover from the Greeco/Roman pantheon of gods that they in turn inherited from the Hindu/Sanscrit traditions of ancient India.

My understanding of GOD is of a Supreme intelligence, all knowing, all powerful, invisible and omnipresent that has granted to the human race a gift of gradual enlightenment that has set us apart from the animal kingdom so that we can achieve all that is our destiny to so do.

My opinion of religion is that it is totally divorced from GOD because it is the construct of mankind for the control of mankind for the sole enrichment of those who control the many and various religions that plague the world.All religions display an arrogant  and counterproductive message that mankind was created by God in his image, giving the impression that man is somehow godlike in appearance and that God has a definitive sexuality(male).

Judaism
The original monotheistic religion arrogantly states that this planet is less than 6000 years old totally ignorin facts established by science, and by the logic of the human intellect that mans presence on earth can be compared to a single blink of an eye not just in the lifetime of a single human being but in the collective lifetimes of every human that has ever lived. Yet there is something special contained within its teachings contained in the Torah(Bible).

Christianity
The fulfillment of Biblical prophesy, essentially restating the authority of the Jewish faith, but hijacked by the Romans for Sociological/Political reasons that could prop up the decaying Roman Empire, to do this it was essential for Rome to disassociate Christianity from Judaism, an oriental belief system and rewrite Christianity as a bespoke Roman religion that
could be identified with by the citizens of Rome and easily replace the cuts of Zoroastrianism, Mythraism and the cult of Isis.

This culture of adaptation of the religion to suit the changing needs of the papal autocracy which also held sway over the sovereignty of nations, control of the life of the common man with an iron fist for the enrichment of the papal city. This culture of adaptation has resulted in a belief structure that I doubt would be recognised as the teachings of Jesus by his
Apostles.

Islam





Islam is claimed by its advocates to be the final testimony of Gods law in the book called the Q'uran, endorsing and replacing and correcting the Jewish Torah, the Christian New Testament, both of which Islam claims have been changed while the Q'uran has remained in its original form.
However the practice of Islam by its followers is remarkably similar to the pre-Islamic pagan Arab religions that proliferated in that region before MuHammed allegedly became a prophet; praying five times a day, circling the Qaba in Mecca and stoning the devils rocks were all the standard religious rituals carried out by pagan Arabs.
It appears that MuHammed would have been familiar with both Judaism and Christianity both of which were widely practiced throughout Arabia prior to the start of Islam, so it is not surprising that he borrowed heavily from these established religions to blend into a new but familiar faith that Arabs would find it easier to accept as a replacement for the 300+ gods in the Qaba with a single God who already existed among the 300+ as Allah the deity of the crescent moon whose history can be traced back to the Assyrian god SIN(Sinai the wilderness of SIN).

Judaism allows interpretation of Biblical scripture through the Talmud and encourages discussion of different points of view.

Christianity in the past 250 years has diversified and evolved into many different forms through the process of interpretation, this has occurred because Christians with the exception of the Roman Church has encouraged its followers to question their faith.

Islam is totally alone in so far as it actively discourages and punishes those who question their faith, anyone leaving Islam is branded an Apostate a crime punishable by death.

For me it is enough that I believe in a supreme being, that I follow the non religious Commandments of Moses and try to live my life in relation to other as Jesus would have us do, with love and respect as the basis for everything.


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John, Jesus's teaching sometimes looks uncannily like Buddhism!
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I would compare teachings of both to an idealistic form of socialism, one that is inherently honest and altruistic , sadly the attempts to replicate that pure socialism in modern times have foundered on the rocks of dishonesty and selfishness.
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After watching last night on the BBC about Syria, I think we need to look to get medicines into Syria, and serious wounded children and people out as well as stopping in some way hospitals being bombed.  That was very sad to see children being bombed with Napalm  type bombs and Doctors not sure of how to treat such wounds, or with next to no medicines.
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David Cameron appears to be doing an about turn on possible UK access for Syrian refugees, Syria was a former French protectorate following the defeat of the Turkish armies in that region in WWI,

The French who when they gave independence to Syria allowed the minority Alawites and to a lesser extent the Druze who proliferated in the Syrian military the opportunity to seize control of the country and by so doing exact revenge upon the majority Sunni population for historic religious oppression carried out by Sunni's against Shia sects when Syria was under the control of the Ottoman empire, so it is the French who are indirectly responsible for the situation that has prevailed in Syria over the last four decades under the Assad dynasty.

I think that morally France should be taking these refugees, not the UK
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