Starving pensioners

[dave 1]

On Andrew Neil's show,Gloria Hunniford was speaking about her experience when she went to live with a pensioner for a few days.This lady had three pounds a day left out of her pension to live on.Gloria went shopping with this lady and just did not know how she managed.She stated,did Gloria,that the lady was slowly starving to death,and the lady told Gloria that she wished she was dead as she had nothing to live for.This was stated in front of a Labour supporter and tory supporter,who appeared indifferent to these statements.She also mentioned that Britain does not respect and honour the elderly the way that a lot of other Countrys do such as Germany and France.It was mentioned to Gloria that we are in a very deep recession.She then stated that if we did not send the money overseas in aid, then we would be able to care for our elderly as we should be doing.I would say it is time for our MPs to be honest.As we have become a burden to our Country,outlived our usefullness,instead of letting us suffer,it's time to give us euthanasia,or is that also going to be too expensive.This subject gets my blood boiling when I hear of people being treated in-humanly.

[Peter C]

Dave_1,

I saw Gloria Hunniford on "This Week" Thursday night.......

It was unbelievable that any human being should be living on £3 per day.

What was highlighted on this program puts the inhumane treatment off animal's into perspective.

While animal's should be treat humanely........ I am afraid "Human Beings" must come first, after all didn't someone say

God intended us to "Eat" these animal's!!

As for the Tory & labour representative....... What would you expect from Ex Tory Michael Portillo and once upon a time I would have expected better from Alan Johnson (Labour)

Their comments only served to show the "Contempt" & "Arrogance" politicians of all persuasions have for the "Elderly" in this country.

[Harold Bastow]

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[Peter C]

Harold,

With all due respect to your comments and views, I have to say I am knocked aback that you can relate your comments about animal welfare when the subject is about "Starving Pensioners".

This is why I said ........

That Human Beings "Must" come first before animal rights & welfare.

However, I know you have strong feelings on animal welfare and will most likely want animals to be treat with equal respect, which if you heard and saw the Gloria Hunniford interview on BBC's This Week program you would find that human beings are being treat just as bad throughout their lives and are being left to slowly "Starve" & "Freeze" to death in their homes.

So I will say no more and respect your views on animal welfare.

[Harold Bastow]

Sorry I misunderstood the comments about the programme on starving pensioners.I did watch one of the series,and did think when reading the letters on this subgect that I did not remember animals being mentioned.Please excuse my ignorance.You have seen my letters showing my concerns for the way our pensioners and seniors are treated,and I will always defend them.I realise now animals were only mentioned to describe the way our pensioners were being treated.

[Jenlo]

Dave,
I also saw the programme.
I don't want to make o.a.p.'s irrelevant.
However they aren't the only ones living on this amount of money per week.
60years old i am going to work 20hrs per week and after paying all my utilities i have £12.75 per week left to buy my food etc.
I have working tax credit included in that.
I don't have any debts........thank goodness!

[Peter C]

Jenio,

You are right to highlight that pensioners are not the only people being put under such hard living conditions or perhaps existence conditions would be more appropriate.

Anyone in low paying work or minimum wages and those forced out of work and facing unemployment due the financial mess created by bankers and government policies.

[dave 1]

Jenlo,I truly do not know how you are managing on that amount of money.Our political elite should hang their heads in shame that our people are left to starve,while giving billions away to other Countrys.Our political leaders have abandoned us and we should abandon them.Vote for any but the three main parties.If they are not fit for purpose,kick them out.Its time for people of this Country to come together,to help one another.Its a must because,if not,there will be a lot of people dying alone and abandoned.

[Peter C]

I think the government should be "Forced" to post on their official government website the amount of people who have died from starvation, malnutrition and hypothermia on a monthly bases and made to name call ever person who died due to the above conditions every PM's questions, similar to the military personnel who lose their lives.

Perhaps something like this would "Shame" politicians and force them to react to the reality of their policymakers. If not then the public would hear more about these deaths and being more aware local MPs would come under pressure from their constituents.

[Jenlo]

Dave,
I have voted UKIP in the last two general elections and will continue to do so.
I have many debates with people trying to convince them to changed their vote, alas to no avail.
As Peter has said many times 'Tribal' voting is the main problem.
And of course no foreigner would ever vote for UKIP.
So there are millions of votes out there that UKIP have lost straight away.
That is why Galloway did so well.

[Peter C]

Jenio,

I have said on other posts that UKIP is the party of choice to send a loud and clear message to Tories, Labour & LibDem parties........

It's just a pity UKIP are unable to field more candidate's at election time.

However, I urge people to vote UKIP at the next election where ever there is a UKIP candidate, even though it unlikely that UKIP will brush aside Tories or labour but there is a chance that the will push LibDem's into political oblivion.

[John Kelly]

Peter C.

Peter perhaps if all disenchanted tory voters were to write to their MP's telling them to push for a referendum on leaving the EU or risk losing their support, maybe some marginal tory incumbent MP's  who are Europhobes might consider either rebeling against the Government line or consider switching to UKIP.
According to opinion polls UKIP are already ahead of the Lib-Dems on a national basis.

[Peter C]

John K,

I think your suggest is a good one although its a long shot, I say long shot for the following reasons.....

1. Tribal voting.
2. David Cameron is already ignoring his backbenchers.
3. I don't believe Tory MPs are ready to walk away from David Cameron's lead Tory/coalition government.
4. True Tories are clinging to power at any costs.

I have to say, I had no idea that UKIP have already knocked the Limply lead LibDem's with Nick Clegg at the helm.

This has to be a positive outlook for those of us who want out the EU

I have one question for you John or indeed anyone who may know the answer......... My question is.......

If at the next election and if Tory party can't get first past the post, does UKIP have enough candidates to help form a coalition?

I realise it depends on the amount of seats the Tories win, I am thinking about what will be the best form of coalition government...... Tory/UKIP or labour/libdem.

I think Tory/UKIP for one reason which is they both have the strongest and most willing to get out the EU, haven said that there would be serious backlash and catastrophic consequences of David Cameron's u-turning and misguided and flawed policy making.

[derfledermause]

Reading some of the posts, some want to know how many?. The first winter in office, the CONDEM coalition government killed over 35,000 people. Not my figures, these are from the web sites of our national newspapers. If you force someone to die, that is murder. Taking the winters while in office and the most draconian cuts in our history, I make the death toll close to 60,000 people murdered by this government. Human rights violations!! genocide even?. If you look at each Arab country that has had an uprising, non have killed as many as Cameron and Clegg. No wonder they want to get rid of the human rights act, so that they can kill more pensioners.
We often see the ramblings of these so called "Think Tanks", the latest being that we should stop payments to rich pensioners. I have a better one, if we are in dire financial problems then we cannot afford to keep people in jail. All those guilty of a crime must be eradicated to save money......