June 8th 2017....... General Election or Brexit referendum part II

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Hi Peter,I will be voting conservative.I would normally vote UKIP but I have to agree that if we wish to leave the EU then Tory is the only Party that will bring it about.I would have to be an idiot to vote Labour.He as already stated that he wants an open door policy.That is part of the reason that people voted for Brexit.He talks about reducing classroom sizes,which will only get larger still as more people come to live in this Country and have more children.The Labour Party are so out of touch with the people of this Country.As regards Lib Dems,the least said about them the better.
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Hi Peter, I was never a fan of Theresa May as Home Secretary, I thought her record was appalling. However, I realise that she was under the constraints of the EU which obviously made her job more difficult. In the run up to referendum she kept a very low profile because I suspect she was one of the few within the Tory party who
recognised the possibility of the outcome. In my opinion she has been very shrewd and patient, ready to take the opportunity that presented itself to become leader of the Party because she knew that David Cameron would have no option but to resign following his pathetic trip to Europe prior to the referendum.I voted against joining the "Common Market" back in the 70's and this is my only opportunity to  help get us out.  I have never voted Tory in my life but on this occasion I feel I have no option. I appreciate a General Election is normally about Home matters but the effects of our membership of the EU are so immense, the Country is being bled dry.
There will be many more opportunities to right the wrongs within our Country but this will be our/my only opportunity to help get us out and I intend to grab it with both hands.
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I too havent a clue who to vote for, for exactly the reasons you state.
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Jeremy Corbyn will do nothing about immigration. He is already saying that "all"
Europeans living here will be allowed to stay if Labour were to get into power. A typical rash political statement, with no thought as to the eventual conclusion to
such action. We cannot afford to keep paying benefits to low paid Eastern Europeans for children that are not here and when many of them are sending monies back to their own Countries. The comparisons made to British people living abroad in Europe are ridiculous. As I have said many times before, people go abroad to live for what they see as a better life and that includes Brits. I doubt there are many of them, if any who are able to claim benefits abroad. Many of them are in business or are retirees who spend money paid to them by our Government in their Country of choice. thus contributing to their economy. I do not object to honest hardworking Europeans wishing to live and work here who pay their dues like the rest of us. We have been bank rolling Europe for years and are one of the few who pay their debts.
Our public services can no longer cope with the ever increasing numbers of so called refugees coming via Europe because they do not abide by the rules.
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As I have said in all my previous posts - I will never vote Tory. We are going to leave the EU whoever is in power and that is what I and a majority voted for. I could never change from Labour to the right wing so readily especially given what appalling policies this government has already instigated.This election is not only about Brexit and I for one have not forgotten that fact. The recent report about free schools is another reason why I can't vote for May, HS2 is another, with France and Italy fighting over who will build it - no British company in sight. The NHS is being privatised in front of noses, Social Care is non-existent and the rich are thriving and the poor are getting poorer. I cannot see that Brexit will make a jot of difference to those issues - it will set us free but who will benefit most - not the majority, the wealthy. The Labour Party will take us out of Europe and protect the majority whereas May will stamp her feet and is likely to make sure her wealthy mates will gain. She is a poor negotiator - lacks the skill, as do dodgy Fox and witless Davies.  Another Tory government will be a disaster for the country and I find it unbelievable that previous Labour supporters can support such a rightwing Tory party - it defies belief. Perhaps you want another unnecessary rail link built by a foreign country, a privatised NHS, worse elderly care, education, the prison system, and this is just a few agencies, in the hands of the private sector. A new power station built by the chinese and all our utilities owned by foreigners with no control of prices.  Brexit will not change these issues but a Labour government can!
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Labour if elected to Government would, raise income tax, for average and above average wage earners,
They would increase corporation tax which would reduce company profits, however it would for larger companies act as a disincentive to recruitment at worst it could cause unemployment to rise and insolvency in the very smallest of enterprises.
They would increase taxation on inherited wealth even for the less well off, in effect taxing money that incurred taxes when it was earned, was taxed when saved and then taxed again when handed down to the next generation.
Socialism is the politics of envy and is carried out by the least able to govern, and can only carry on by spending other people's money, that is until the money runs out as we saw in 2010.
Labour would also repeal the Trade Union Act which could return the UK to the chaos of the late 1960's early 1970's which virtually bankrupted this country. Incidentally do you remember the standard rate of income tax back then during the times of Harold Wilson and James Callaghan?

Corbyn has in the past supported the cause of the provisional Irish Republican Army and campaigned for the removal of British Army units from Northern Ireland, he has supported the cause of Hammas in Gaza, he supports the abolition of NATO and he has stated that he would not order a preemptive nuclear strike if the UK was under iminent threat of a nuclear attack against this country. It is the first duty of a prime Minister in the UK to protect the nation with all means at his disposal, if he cannot give such an assurance then it is clear that he is not fit for such a role.
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 It was disclosed in a Telegraph exposure that for seven years running, while the IRA “armed struggle” was at its height, Mr Corbyn attended and spoke at official republican commemorations to honour dead IRA terrorists, IRA “prisoners of war” and the active “soldiers of the IRA.”

Before you start making comments referring to pots, kettles and black take a good hard look in the mirror.

The official programme for the 1988 event, held one week after the IRA murdered three British servicemen in the Netherlands, states that “force of arms is the only method capable of bringing about a free and united Socialist Ireland.” Mr Corbyn used the event to attack the Anglo-Irish Agreement, the precursor of the peace process.
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John,

Labour is an embarrassment under this man. May has her shortcomings but she believes in our rights to self determination, and her heart is in the right place. She has my vote, if not for me, then for my children. Positive note, and flying the flag in my own quiet way, today I launched my new website this afternoon 3.30 p.m. Newfoundland time www.akenheadcrosswords.com  check it out, and if you like it, tell your friends! Meanwhile I'll pop outside to see if I can spot some icebergs!

Best to you all,

David
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David, Corbyn embarrassing, you are joking - he is a man who is hoping to introduce equality, a society where people have enough money on which of live. He wants the banks to begin to lend rather than horde money - he recognises the fact that the major banks are looking after themselves, keeping interest rates low to control the housing boom that has been engineered by the banks. Tory policy has ruined our economy and left it in shreds and you critisise a man who wants to change our society where capitalism has failed.
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Mary sadly you are wrong!
The Banks conducted their business with out statutory controls, why? Because Gordon Brown removed the power of the Bank of England to police those practices, instead giving the B of E the power to set interest rates.
It was Labour that propped up Northern Rock instead of allowing it to go to the wall, which would have served as a warning to HBOS and RBS to put in place fiscal remedies which might have prevented the banking crash of 2007/8.
Instead Labour day on their hands and did nothing until it was too late, then they impoverishhed the British people by propping up the corrupt RBS operation and forcing the otherwise healthy LLoyds Bank to incorporate HBOS into their group and as a result damaging it's own financial status, from which it has never recovered.
It is notable that Marxist theory and socialist economics always spells chaos simply because an economy, like running a successful business requires competence, something sadly lacking among Labour MP's. Capitalism if properly controlled by enforcible regulatory powers is still the only workable system.
Marxist, Communist, Socialist systems always fail and always will because it depends on higher and higher taxation especially so for the job providers on who the people depend for their wages, if you drive away the job providers then inevitably you increase job loses.
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He's brave, I'll grant you that, and like Hadrian he wishes to tear up the rule book BUT his great weakness, I fear, is that of Canute. You cannot resist the elements without bloody strife. History has taught us that. Hadrian's great strength, by contrast, was that he had a knack for unity. He saw how Trajan was executing Consuls like it was going out of style, and he knew his strength lay with two legions who would follow him to death! He knew too the value of chess, I submit. You have to Queen your pawn first! Sadly, Corbyn, for whatever his merits, lacks these skills. Hadrian, had to appease the citizens of Rome who were ready for bloody revolution, as well as appease the nobility; so in the latter case he ordered 2 weeks holiday to commemorate his reckless predecessor, who like Gordon Brown, chose to be profligate with the country's silver to the point of total bankruptcy, and in the former he instigated his famous line in the sand, burning all the public debt in the Agora (market place) and declaring all debts of Rome null and void. By what authority? By Caesar's decree, of course, who like his predecessor, was an undisputed God! Much like Donald Trump would like to believe himself to be today, I would suggest, and he too built a wall - and I bet you that's where his inspiration comes from - but Hadrian made a mistake there, as we all know today! Plus ca change! Plus c'est la meme chose! The trick is learning, Mary, I would humbly suggest!
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McGuiness and Adams won their seats in the UK parliament after the provisionals had given up the armed struggle, even though they never used that privelidge.

Corbyn however held talks with terrorists during the killing days, he is a man who professes empathy with the ordinary British people, bit in reality his empathy has always been with the rebel causes and has always demonstrated a simmering antipathy with the UK in general his true political leaning is communism, an ideology that seeks to destroy democracy and impose huge government control over the lives of the individual.
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